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David Gottfried's avatar

God only knows we need working class heroes

https://davidgottfried.substack.com/p/is-luigi-mangione-morally-superior

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Bostronix's avatar

Pharasical nonsense. Progressives are so far removed from the working class they don’t even recognize them anymore.

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Vincent Pagliaccio's avatar

I advocate for policies where you pay $0 in income tax, you own your workplace, you get free healthcare, you get far more pay for your work and where your vote actually has power. Is that working class enough for you?

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Paul Gasper's avatar

What is “Pharasical”?

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JR Pete's avatar
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It is a misspelling of “Pharisaical”: describes someone who is hypocritically pious, often emphasizing strict adherence to religious rituals or rules while neglecting their true meaning or spirit. (From Google’s • Al Overview)

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Vardo Joe's avatar

No, I vehemently disagree with single-payer systems and no, care is not better in countries that apply it. What is called “health-care” has been carefully developed by the Rockerfellers, their acolytes, the Tuskegee syphilis study, the Ash Conformity study, and exploiting RICO. No one gets better under health care violence. Doctors are not educated to solve problems but to create profit for the industry. The industry is built on the worst conflicts of interests that make the Roman fire chiefs corruption look like child’s play. Do not allow yourselves to think that shifting the administrative costs to taxpayers is going to improve it. We’re paying exorbitant costs for our own demise and failing to address our lifestyle choices. In Luigi Mangione’s case, no one was going to tell him that yoga & tai chi would provide hugely better outcomes than the violence of drilling large screws into his spine and fusing vertebrae. The industry would not profit from that. He is forever a broken man because he never saw his own power to escape the system and seek alternatives. 2 men died and the system of violence profited. NO SINGLE PAYER!! GET YOURSELVES OUT OF THE SYSTEM!

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Jeffrey Stone's avatar

It's funny because I dumped United Healthcare about 4 years ago or so. Literally every single procedure that was requested by any of my doctors was not even turned it down it was simply ignored. Then on top of that they changed all of the terms of hospitalization without any notification to their customers. It became far more expensive for someone and if you didn't read the fine print and it was very very fine print, you never would have known.

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Phillip J Hubbell's avatar

So you guys support murderers? What a bunch of creeps y’all are.

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Vincent Pagliaccio's avatar

No, I don't support Brian Thompson

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Paul Gasper's avatar

But you do support Luigi Mangione. Did he do anything wrong, in your opinion?

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Vincent Pagliaccio's avatar

Depends, do you think its wrong to kill a serial killer?

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Paul Gasper's avatar

Generally speaking, it’s deceptive to attempt to answer a question with a question. That’s what you did. Can’t you just answer a question in a straightforward manner?

But I won’t play your game. The executive was not a serial killer. See how that works?

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Hunterson7's avatar

What a cynical cruel dog whistle of an article.

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P Winter's avatar

By this same reasoning, Ilhan Omar started out as a "poor" Sudanese refugee that married her brother. By her sheer determination and Federal grants, she graduated college in N Dakota. She then became a congresswoman who is now worth $83 million in 8 short years! Amazing! Someone did something?

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Saki Koskinen's avatar

Obviously, wealthy people have more options in life, but apparently, wealth didn't help Thompson. Pitting factions of people against each other, or trying to overlay ideology (pure capitalism, pure communism) onto reality never works. View the system as it exists, identify abuses and inefficiencies, correct them. Repeat.

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Al's avatar

Name 1 thing, out of the millions of things government does, just 1, that the government does better and more efficiently than the private sector? Just 1! I'll wait......(crickets chirping).......

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Vincent Pagliaccio's avatar

Oh thats super easy; the NHS in the UK is one of the most efficient healthcare systems in the world despite being very underfunded:

https://www.bmj.com/content/343/bmj.d5143

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pam garcia's avatar

Excellent article. Insurance systems are not capitalism. They create nothing of value and the profits truly are parasitic.

In order for the US to have healthcare for all, the chronic condition epidemic that is spiraling out of control must end. A way to end it is to start with two separate healthcare systems. The insurance available for all can cover acute conditions such as infections, injuries, birthing, birth defects, cancers and can be employer finananced as well as subsidized by redirecting workers comp insurance and automobile and other accident insurance premiums to this system and eliminating lawsuits for medical care. The other insurance can cover chronic conditions caused by eating unhealthy foods and unhealthy lifestyle. This insurance can be be optional and subsidized by employers and individuals, as well as hefty taxes on the junk food and drinks as well as the companies that create these fake foods. Tax credits can be issued to people who don't use this insurance. Within a few years, the incentive to be healthy will take over, and the fake food industrial complex will be gone

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Vincent Pagliaccio's avatar

Ideally we could nationalize all healthcare like the UK, it's far more efficient and humane when properly funded of course. An easy short term solution that can happen over night almost is just doing single payer medicare for all.

I think the misconception you're running into is that with insurance, you're not paying less for your healthy habits. You are still paying for other people's higher risk, the business wouldn't work if that wasn't the case. As a healthy (on paper) person you're paying more for your low risk. Along with that, people just don't choose to not drink or smoke because their insurance goes up. It's far easier, efficient and humane to have no private health insurance (besides for voluntary procedures). These are companies that profit off of people who are sick, it's simply immoral.

We can solve a lot of these disease problems with one– better access to healthcare which medicare for all would do but also more importantly more funding for addiction services. A medicare for all helps pay for nutritionists and mental healthcare to reduce many of these problems. People are not unhealthy or healthy based on their decisions like the capitalist insurance industry wants you to think. Theres many larger external factors, the biggest one simply being poverty and thus lack of ability to access quality food.

This is absolutely a capitalist problem. This is the incentive of a capitalist system– to privatize and commodify. Healthcare and basic needs should not be a commodity. For the capitalist, these things are just business ventures disconnected from the humans impacted by it. This is why private insurance and healthcare providers are the NUMBER ONE industry in dollars donated to political campaigns. They know theres efforts to make healthcare public and they want to influence politicians to keep it privatized so we keep paying into their profits.

Imagine instead, a world though where you could go to clinic, get treated, have next to no bill and take far less out of your paycheck every week for healthcare.

Thank you for reading, sorry if this response sounds a little harsh I'm really passionate about this topic.

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Roger A. Smedberg's avatar

I guess you need to find who is poisoning the air the food the water and end them to

Personal responsibility has to start somewhere

There was a different way to handle this

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Stephen Mason's avatar

I’ve been highly entertained by the grandiosity of the story that has emerged to disguise what is basically a mob hit between rival factions of the medical industrial complex. This faux antiestablishment drama is a very stretched attempt to disguise this murder for what it really is: a casualty in some sort of turf war followed by mass manipulation and a coverup.

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Al's avatar

Well, you've done an exemplary job creating justification for the wholesale slaughter of every Democrat and RINO.

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Ruthie Sakheim's avatar

Solidarity with the people who suffer from United Healthcare

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Sue Ann Webster's avatar

So stupid. This guy wasn’t a working class anything

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